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So I joined a few GT86 Facebook groups. Damn I feel old now.

It seems as though, now the original twins are out there nearing 10 year old, they are cheap as chips and the 19-20 something zoomers are buying them up, pimping and blinging them into clown cars and plastering them over instagram.

"Tag me on insta bae #pimpmyride"

It bizarre. There are kids simply throwing money on bling parts based entirely on what some kid of Facebook says. If you point out that those part might actually serve a purpose, for, you know, driving the car safely and performantly and you get flamed for putting the kid down.

If you point out that the clown suspension actually just means the car is broken, has no grip, no traction and basically looks like a stupid clown car.... oh boy, are they a sensitive little bunch. Mucho panty bunching.

Then... then there are the multiple posts a WEEK where some moron has binned his blinged 86 into a tree being as idiot and... it's putting all our insurance premiums up. The rich kids are the best though, "Binned it. Had to happen. Eying a new one now. #rip-it-up"

Of course there are almost an equal number of "I'm going to boost the **** out of my FA20" and "My FA20 blew up, where do I get a new one?" posts.

The best is 15 year olds who have posters of GT86s on their bedroom walls giving me sh!t about pretending to own one... after 8 years ownership and 2 GTs from brand new.

It's deeply horrifying but then again, I AM actually old. (47)
 

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Edit: It's always hard to gauge tone. So for clarity, the below should be taken in a "sad" and "downhearted" context. There is no hate or anger here.

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It's a real shame that folk seem to be missing out.

There is sub culture around cars, where folk have little to no interest in the car itself.
It's nothing new but unfortunately, addiction to social media seems to have amplified it?

Cars should bring owners joy but with a scramble towards "likes" and "followers", are they getting any real joy of ownership?

Times They Are a-Changin'
Over the last few years, when I've talked to folk at car shows. The younger end of the crowd seem to focus on the mods they have done, how much it cost and what shop/garage they had the mods done at. The same applies to social media discussions.
I don't for a moment expect everyone to be a mechanic or race car driver. I'm just surprised at the shift away from discussions about "driving" and "working" on cars.

Massive Disclaimer: To be absolutely clear, this isn't the case with everyone. I've just seen a trend towards this.

Confusion
In terms of things I was taken a back by recently.

Someone said they had sold their 86 because they "preferred front wheel drive", while there is nothing wrong with that, each to their own. I did have to question their motives for buying a drivers car like an 86 in the first place?

Another didn't really understand about the coolant level and thought it as something a long the lines of "a bit naughty", to go for a long drive knowing there might be an issue.

Why Does It Matter?
For a car as special as ours, it deserves to be looked after. As we are ultimately custodians and not owners.

It's sad to think what sort of life these cars will have had. Looking after them will, if nothing else, save the current owners money. Worse still, it could cost the next owner when they sell the car on :(
Who knows... maybe the above will help keep the price of good examples like mine relatively high?

It's been said may times but the end of cars as we know them is racing towards us at blistering pace. We beyond lucky that cars like the original twins, the GR Yaris, the new GR86 and the new BRZ are not just a pipe dream... but a full blow swan song!

It would be a shame if they were lost them due to people not caring.

Getting Philosophical For A Moment...
When you think about it, it's not surprising to see alcoholics hang around in pubs.
In turn, those addicted to social media will, inevitably, hang out on social media.

While nothing is perfect. Thankfully, forums like this one are pretty chilled and a good spot for information, full of folk who are happy to help and can provide a link to where they sourced their information.

Summary
When all is said and done, I know my car is waiting for me in my garage. Happy in the knowledge that I've nothing to prove and miles of road a head of me 馃憤
I just wish more folk could enjoy that reward and freedom.

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One thing I've noticed, they seem to have a very high death rate in the USA. Pretty much every day I see on Facebook one that's either been crashed or abused.
 
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There is no need to worry! It's a very different context :)
I've always seen that thread as a "friendly catch up between friends" where you can share ideas and stories.
It's a way of giving back to the community... In that, it's helpful rather than self promoting.

One thing I've noticed, they seem to have a very high death rate in the USA. Pretty much every day I see on Facebook one that's either been crashed or abused.
It's a shame :(
Things seem very different over there. From the start there seemed to be a lot more young folk who owned one?
 

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It's a shame :(
Things seem very different over there. From the start there seemed to be a lot more young folk who owned one?
Yea and listening to them talk about "manual cars" like they are some special exclusive item that needs to be babied because syncros are made out of cheese and clutches are made out of sugar... or something. I have heard:

Never slip the clutch to move slowly.
Never skip gears up or down.
Don't hold the car on the clutch on a hill.
Always double clutch every change.
If you don't rev match every gear you'll total the box.
etc. etc. etc.

I swear I'm going to start trolling them, like post a video if my clutch holding on a hill for 2 minutes. Maybe a clutch slip 5k launch. Going from 1st to 6th and back to 1st again, listening to the synchro's spin up and whine. Just to really, really trigger them. That and posting pics of my stock are completely and utterly bogging in winter with super cheap bargain bassment budget winter rims.
 

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It's great that ' youngsters' are getting to appreciate the twins. Unfortunately I think most of them just don't 'get it'! First questions are usually What's the 0-60 & how much bhp/ torque, then see the dismay on their faces!
 

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This thread does scream alot of "Old man yells at cloud" and I mean that in the most light-hearted of ways possible.

The fact is that this is nothing new, 27 odd years when you yourself were a 20 year old "Zoomer" you might've picked up a flash car, be it something like a Celica, Escort, Renault 5 turbo.. whatever it may have been, it's all before my time truthfully haha and you might've made some silly decisions when it came to modifications, stripping it out, fitting a set of Recaro's and harnesses, bullhorns or rally lights (who knows!) and there was probably some 47 year old at that time thinking "These crazy kids have no taste and are driving up our insurance premiums!" or if not yourself then someone else of your age was doing it.

The truth that has never changed is that we were all young once! (he says as he turns 30 this year, shocking.) and there is always a generation or 2 that came before looking down at us for being dumb "youths" etc.

The thing that unfortunately has changed is the environment in the UK that allows younger people to own quick cars, this speaks specifically about people's choice of aesthetic mods that might not be to your taste or you might feel hinder the performance of the car for the sake of some "sick lows" or having a giant wing on the boot and the fact of the matter is the barrier to entry for owning any sort of nice car these days is utterly obscene but the mods that are "Harmless" to install - for the most part - are aesthetic ones.

Speaking of the "Send it" attitude that's very much a US bred thing (Where the Scion FRS as it's called over there very much can be picked up for absolute peanuts and insured cheaply) which has somewhat spread over here but fortunately they're just the loud minority of young car enthusiasts rather than it being a widespread thing as generally people do like to take care of their posesssions, especially something as expensive as a car.


And then finally there's the fact that everyone falls in love with cars for different reasons, some of us do it for looks, others for performance, some want to shave 10th's off of their lap time and some love the noise they make, that's what makes being a car enthusiast so exciting is everyone's a bit different. If everyone installed a set of 17" Enkei RPF1's, Michilin Pilot Sport 4s' and Tein Flex A Coilovers on to their GT86 because "That's the proven recipe" then it would be a very boring cookie-cutter community for sure.


General rule of thumb though is as Kaviar said - It's not actually the "norm" these days but moreso the vocal minority on Social media, some people purely go on social media for recognition, to be noticed or for attention and so they're always going to to make a massive parade about every little thing they do, even if it's something as silly as painting their windscreen in Vantablack for "That murdered out look"


Edit: I also say this as someone who knows you'd probably dislike my 86 :ROFLMAO: but then I generally feel i've "been there, done that, got the t-shirt" with most things in my car history ownership and enjoy doing new things with the next project
 

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And then finally there's the fact that everyone falls in love with cars for different reasons, some of us do it for looks, others for performance, some want to shave 10th's off of their lap time and some love the noise they make, that's what makes being a car enthusiast so exciting is everyone's a bit different. If everyone installed a set of 17" Enkei RPF1's, Michilin Pilot Sport 4s' and Tein Flex A Coilovers on to their GT86 because "That's the proven recipe" then it would be a very boring cookie-cutter community for sure.
I sometimes worry about them though. The people who slam their cars and add 15* of cambre to the rear end to get the big wheels under the arches.

That is DEADLY. That car will have zero grip at the rear and some serious handling issues. Puttling around it'll be grand but someday they might need to brake hard on the motorway or swerve and thus clown wheels are going to cause major issues.
 

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Yea and listening to them talk about "manual cars" like they are some special exclusive item that needs to be babied because syncros are made out of cheese and clutches are made out of sugar... or something. I have heard:

Never slip the clutch to move slowly.
Never skip gears up or down.
Don't hold the car on the clutch on a hill.
Always double clutch every change.
If you don't rev match every gear you'll total the box.
etc. etc. etc.

I swear I'm going to start trolling them, like post a video if my clutch holding on a hill for 2 minutes. Maybe a clutch slip 5k launch. Going from 1st to 6th and back to 1st again, listening to the synchro's spin up and whine. Just to really, really trigger them. That and posting pics of my stock are completely and utterly bogging in winter with super cheap bargain bassment budget winter rims.
I've seen stuff along the same lines. While sad, it is quite funny to see how odd a manual is to them ;)
I'm sure they think the same of us when we all get excited over V6 or a V8 lol.

On a more sad note... it's scary to see how little fact checking takes place on social media.

It's great that ' youngsters' are getting to appreciate the twins. Unfortunately I think most of them just don't 'get it'! First questions are usually What's the 0-60 & how much bhp/ torque, then see the dismay on their faces!
Indeed, it's a real shame folk are so focused on numbers and miss the point of the car. Heaps and heaps of fun!

This thread does scream alot of "Old man yells at cloud" and I mean that in the most light-hearted of ways possible.

The fact is that this is nothing new, 27 odd years when you yourself were a 20 year old "Zoomer" you might've picked up a flash car, be it something like a Celica, Escort, Renault 5 turbo.. whatever it may have been, it's all before my time truthfully haha and you might've made some silly decisions when it came to modifications, stripping it out, fitting a set of Recaro's and harnesses, bullhorns or rally lights (who knows!) and there was probably some 47 year old at that time thinking "These crazy kids have no taste and are driving up our insurance premiums!" or if not yourself then someone else of your age was doing it.

The truth that has never changed is that we were all young once! (he says as he turns 30 this year, shocking.) and there is always a generation or 2 that came before looking down at us for being dumb "youths" etc.

The thing that unfortunately has changed is the environment in the UK that allows younger people to own quick cars, this speaks specifically about people's choice of aesthetic mods that might not be to your taste or you might feel hinder the performance of the car for the sake of some "sick lows" or having a giant wing on the boot and the fact of the matter is the barrier to entry for owning any sort of nice car these days is utterly obscene but the mods that are "Harmless" to install - for the most part - are aesthetic ones.

Speaking of the "Send it" attitude that's very much a US bred thing (Where the Scion FRS as it's called over there very much can be picked up for absolute peanuts and insured cheaply) which has somewhat spread over here but fortunately they're just the loud minority of young car enthusiasts rather than it being a widespread thing as generally people do like to take care of their posesssions, especially something as expensive as a car.


And then finally there's the fact that everyone falls in love with cars for different reasons, some of us do it for looks, others for performance, some want to shave 10th's off of their lap time and some love the noise they make, that's what makes being a car enthusiast so exciting is everyone's a bit different. If everyone installed a set of 17" Enkei RPF1's, Michilin Pilot Sport 4s' and Tein Flex A Coilovers on to their GT86 because "That's the proven recipe" then it would be a very boring cookie-cutter community for sure.


General rule of thumb though is as Kaviar said - It's not actually the "norm" these days but moreso the vocal minority on Social media, some people purely go on social media for recognition, to be noticed or for attention and so they're always going to to make a massive parade about every little thing they do, even if it's something as silly as painting their windscreen in Vantablack for "That murdered out look"


Edit: I also say this as someone who knows you'd probably dislike my 86 :ROFLMAO: but then I generally feel i've "been there, done that, got the t-shirt" with most things in my car history ownership and enjoy doing new things with the next project
I think the key thing is a potential change in motivation?
Indeed, I too have been guilty of some daft, "cool" mods in the past but I did them because I though they were fun and I enjoyed installing them.

My fear is, to use your term (which i enjoyed) a "loud minority" are (like we both said), now seem to be obsessed with modifying cars to gain attention and followers on social media?
My concern is, kids grow up seeing that and focus more on growing themselves as a brand, missing out on a huge source of joy that cars bring. Freedom.
Building on this and drawing from what Kat said. It's the juxtaposition between owning a car that was designed to be a drivers car that gets driven... being used as a prop to build a following. It's a shame that folk "don't get it" and miss out on something really special.

I guess this is all part of a bigger conversation, around social media and the positive and negative effects it's having on us as a society. If for no other reason then the sheer volume and targeting of information. But that's a rabbit hole too deep for me to process today lol.

A quick note on your own car. Regardless of what people think, it's impossible to deny the hard work you've put in and I've a huge amount of respect for that 馃憤
It's a very, very different to a young kid who casually ask "has anyone done and LS swap", who then copies bits of your build, gets bank rolled my mum and dad, then spends all day posting about how individual they are #blessed 馃ぃ

I am proud to say that I've done things to my car, based on the knowledge shared by others on this forum. And I hope, others have found the information I've shared useful in return. No like or subscription required.

Like I said before :)
When all is said and done, I know my car is waiting for me in my garage. Happy in the knowledge that I've nothing to prove and miles of road a head of me 馃憤
Speaking off... I'm off for a drive.
Because, no reason ;)
 

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What an interesting thread! I guess a lot of younger enthusiasts like facebook because they are so busy with important stuff and want answers yesterday without having to do any research, because it takes more time and effort and consideration to visit a forum to find out stuff.

At least with facebook you can simply ask " what's the best brakes?" and "what's the loudest exhaust and where can I get it?" and, like a magnet there will be plenty who can offer advice and show you their car, because facebook is where you will find all the "experts".

The "more mature"? enthusiasts might take the time and trouble on a forum to compile a build thread, often for the benefit of others, because they are enthusiastic in their enjoyment of their car and want others to enjoy their cars as well. This also applies to what I would call discerning younger owners of our cars, of which I encounter many.

I bought an Impreza Turbo back in 2000, when you either bought a grey import or waited six months to buy a new UK model from a dealer. In those days, even second hand imports were changing hands for up to 拢20k because of the wait for a new one, and pretty much all the owners had good jobs or were more mature in age, and could thus afford to buy one. I was 48 back then. When I sold the car in 2013 to buy my GT, there were very few of us "oldies" still into Imprezas because they had become available through price to the younger enthusiast, and BMW and Audi ( for instance) were the status cars to have. Deja vu perhaps, for me?

Oh well! Here I am in my ninth year of ownership, and wondering what modification to have for my 70th birthday present. I will certainly visit a forum to find out!
 

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I sometimes worry about them though. The people who slam their cars and add 15* of cambre to the rear end to get the big wheels under the arches.

That is DEADLY. That car will have zero grip at the rear and some serious handling issues. Puttling around it'll be grand but someday they might need to brake hard on the motorway or swerve and thus clown wheels are going to cause major issues.
I don't disagree here, to an extent.
There's so many levels to what is a stupid modification it's really hard to properly be on the same page as each other about it via a forum.

Camber specifically is one that thankfully I feel alot of people will grow out of quickly once they realise how quickly it'll bugger a set of tyres for an MOT or until they go over one nasty pot hole and bend one of their wheels and in a way i'd really love to know how much contact patch a set of 255 tyres is putting on to the road at say.. 5-10 degrees of negative camber for example to then deem it as dangerous, for example there's plenty of electric cars out there with some weird bicycle tyre sizes, the BMW i3 is a 155/20 tyre for example which seems bonkers.

Thankfully you do very very very rarely read of news stories of traffic accidents caused by cars with wonky wheels, it's more often than not a "joy riding" style incident, which is to say excessive speed in unsafe conditions with someone who isn't actually a car enthusiast behind the wheel and more just a knob trying to show off or driving under some sort of influence.


I think the key thing is a potential change in motivation?
Indeed, I too have been guilty of some daft, "cool" mods in the past but I did them because I though they were fun and I enjoyed installing them.

My fear is, to use your term (which i enjoyed) a "loud minority" are (like we both said), now seem to be obsessed with modifying cars to gain attention and followers on social media?
My concern is, kids grow up seeing that and focus more on growing themselves as a brand, missing out on a huge source of joy that cars bring. Freedom.
Building on this and drawing from what Kat said. It's the juxtaposition between owning a car that was designed to be a drivers car that gets driven... being used as a prop to build a following. It's a shame that folk "don't get it" and miss out on something really special.
That's also quite true, but to be honest I feel the people that are only in to cars for the social media attention and "clout" will only ever be in to it for that.
They might grow up one day and find a real fascination with how a car performs and that's fantastic or they might mature out of the social media chasing and that's the end of their car interest which is fair enough.
Thankfully there is a trend emerging in the car "scene" for where well done, "clean", quality work, interesting, well performing and well setup cars are becoming cool, I think they'll always be an interest in the outlandish and stupid which is what the entire max power brand was built off of lol but I reckon we'll see more and more high quality "builds" being done and that inspiring the younger enthusiasts to follow in those footsteps rather than wonky wheels and 4d numberplates :ROFLMAO:
 

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I figured that even finding out exactly 'what' the suspension or engine mods will actually do to the car would be a start, it seems people just want to drop names of "sick ass hardware fitted". When you tempt them by asking things about geometery they choose and why, you get accused of "throwing salt." Edit: Apparently it's "being salty" and "throwing shade".

It's like "I fitted BlingX coil overs, SAF!"

How lower? What spring rate? Did you do the antiroll bar too? What camber and toe did you go for?

"Whaa bru? Calm down dude. Stop hating"
 

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I suppose to summarise.

If you want to specialise the car in some way or improve it, in character in some way. If your mods are considered, well thought out, well executed and while tuned afterwards. Why not.

My problem is with the opposite. They are modding the car for bling, name dropping hardware, "sick" photos and basically creating an "instagram prop". I think it's silly. Not only that, it's wasteful consumerism and bad for the environment and not exactly great for safety.

Just as long as they ain't on my lawn, right!?
 

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You sound like an old git,

Why are you on face book? Why are you driving a sports coupe at 47 years of age wrinkleton? Why are you trying to be on a level platform to ppl that are half your age?

You wouldn't engage with them for any other reason than you happen to own the same car, just let them enjoy the car how they want and you can go off with you pipe and slippers gramps (I'm assuming that's it what they would say).

I'm older than you BTW ;)
 

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It all makes an interesting read. The key words i think are " Instant Gratification" and " You pay more you get more" which makes them think they are better than others as they are throwing money at their car. It is also about personalisation and making things "unique" and "stand out".
Ah well, everyone told me this is a track car and as such we should lower the car , put coilovers make the ride harsh etc.

Unfortunately i am an idiot and put forged alloys with big sidewall tyres not the low profile rubber bands, put the 2017+ OE suspension which was more road biased than track, totally sound deadened the car..None will win me any awards but hey ho, it is what it is. Not Kewl but a GT car...
 

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So I joined a few GT86 Facebook groups. Damn I feel old now.

It seems as though, now the original twins are out there nearing 10 year old, they are cheap as chips and the 19-20 something zoomers are buying them up, pimping and blinging them into clown cars and plastering them over instagram.
Although somewhat surprised by your "Cheap as Chips" assertion (perhaps my GT86 worldview is too Uk- centric where they are definitely no cheaper than a large Haddock)........

I feel your pain.

I don't share it though, as being a fifty something (rather than a young buck like you 馃槀) I'm far too grumpy to want to go near any of that Faceshite or Instacrap, this forum being my main preferred GT86 web based "fix" .

For me, whatever happens in America, may as well be happening on the moon, after all this is the same country that recently had a sitting president whip up a "mob" to vandalise the U.S. parliament and where a young man out for a run 10 minutes away from his own home ended up shot dead for "looking like a thief". So ok, it's a bit sad if there's currently a high rate of 86 crashes over there, but well the whole country seems pretty disfunctional anyway so er I suppose "that's America for you" 馃檪.

I literally cannot imagine having a car like the GT86 as a teenager, I got my first car at 25 which was a 1 litre Polo "breadvan'. I did have a Yamaha 350 at 18 though (I bought it for 拢560 / and I rattle can sprayed the wheels fluoro orange / blew then rebuilt the engine / jumped a ditch at 60mph / crashed it again a couple of years later / then it got stolen from the guy I sold it to and most likely broken for parts).

My point?

Well like just about everyone else who owned a Yamaha RD350LC I'd love to own another - so now that I'm 52 and these early eighties 2 strokes are 拢10k 40 year old classics, it would get pampered and ridden relatively sensibly for just a few hundred miles a year....... and so likewise I would expect quite a few of the people keeping interest in 'the twins' alive 20 or 30 years from now (and pampering one as a classic car) will be those who abused one in their youth.......

So yeah, it's a shame if ignorance and bravado kills a few too many 86s far too quickly, but ultimately any interest in the cars is surely better than everyone under 40 just wanting SUVs now 馃檮


It's great that ' youngsters' are getting to appreciate the twins. Unfortunately I think most of them just don't 'get it'! First questions are usually What's the 0-60 & how much bhp/ torque, then see the dismay on their faces!
Reminds me of something I read in a motorcycle magazine some years ago:

The inexperienced young biker asks:
"How fast does it go?"

The experienced older biker asks:
"How does it feel?"
 

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I am enjoying finding out how old people are! And MR2's comment from the motorcycle magazine - yes yes yes!

Can you imagine how this thread would have gone if on Facebook?
 
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