[Senna]

After another first-lap disaster involving the loose canon Frenchman on Sunday, I thought this would be interesting to see what others think about this worrying problem.

David Coulthard has said that many young drivers seem to be driving more recklessly as a result of spending so much time on computer games and do not seem to realise the risks they are exposing themselves and others to.

Schuey and Maldonado have also been punished for irresponsible driving but Grosjean seems to be culprit no1...

Discuss !

 

[a18ttc]

Why does it always have to be computer games to blame. I have played games all my life and if David Coulthard or any public person blames computer games, I will throw R2, L3 in, R1 and R2 them before R3 to the heart.Edited by: a18ttc

 

[Senna]

Cast your vote then, my young apprentice...

 

[rob275]

there a video ? Haven't seen.

 

[Senna]

Check these out:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19509199

 

[a18ttc]

Yes, permanently, he isn't fit to race at this level.
Caveat, can rejoin if he earns it. Needed to clarify the 'permanently' part.

 

[Senna]

Yes, permanently, he isn't fit to race at this level.
Caveat, can rejoin if he earns it. Needed to clarify the 'permanently' part.

How would a Sith 'earn it' ?

How would he be turned to the good side of the force?

 

[ShinyBRZ]

Stewart should be given the guy for a week. He sorted out Magnussen when he wasn't performing - took him to Oulton Park for a couple of days in an Escort Cosworth. It was only the 2nd afternoon that Magnussen was quicker than the old duffer! Perhaps he can sort out Grosjean too...
He could do with another big telling off, though. Another one race ban, no substitutions from the team. Puts a bit of responsibility back on the team, then...

 

[Senna]

Stewart should be given the guy for a week. He sorted out Magnussen when he wasn't performing - took him to Oulton Park for a couple of days in an Escort Cosworth. It was only the 2nd afternoon that Magnussen was quicker than the old duffer! Perhaps he can sort out Grosjean too...
He could do with another big telling off, though. Another one race ban, no substitutions from the team. Puts a bit of responsibility back on the team, then...

You make a good point. Boullier at Lotus keeps making excuses for him... But he would...he is also his personal manager. How is that allowed? If I was a big sponsor, I would be asking questions...

Trouble is that Jackie offered to help before and the arrogant little s*** said his help wasn't needed.

FIA have some responsibility too...Edited by: Senna

 

[DavidGT86]

Grosjean is a good driver and racer but F1 is a different level to all other single seat categories. The cars are super nervous and responsive and I have a feeling that the lack of in-season testing is a big factor as to why some drivers do not show their talent quickly in F1 any more.

I think a one race ban. That would probably be enough to lose him his Lotus drive next year and put him in a mid-field car which is more fitting. A swap with Heikki perhaps?

Edited by: DavidGT86

 

[Senna]

Grosjean is a good driver ...



A swap with Heikki perhaps?

Not sure about the first comment, - but I for one would definitely vote for the last one!

Edited by: Senna

 

[DavidGT86]

Grosjean is a good driver ...



A swap with Heikki perhaps?

Not sure about the first comment, - but I for one would definitely vote for the last one!

Think back to Bahrain. He proved he could race, as he did in GP2. I am no fan of his given the amount of first lap incidents he has had, but I think he deserves an F1 seat with less pressure.

 

[Senna]

One swallow doesn't make a summer though, - does it?


He was abysmal the first year in F1 and was allowed back only because of his connections with Boullier.
They would have more results if they had signed Rubens Barrichello.


The incident on Sunday was the last straw in my view. He has learned nothing from his ban in Monza.


All he had to do was brush the brakes, for goodness sake! He doesn't react.


OUT !

Before someone gets killed...

Edited by: Senna

 

[MikaelSE]

Dont follow F1 too much, but have immense respect for an old friend of mine who tested for F1 a few years back, Nicolas Kiesa. He had the right aproach to the thing, tho unfortunately, it cost him the seat.

He "tested" for those 2 races, driving carefully and a bit too slow, to learn from the car, instead of as we see them doing now, just flooring it in a piece of machinery they dont know how to control at 100%.

Some fault in this is definitly with the teams/sponsors, since all they want is the podium, which puts pressure on the drivers to overperform, and in cars like these, only way to overperform, is to throw sanity out the window.

 

[Stu]

Thing is, is he worse than Sato?

 

[Martin F]

Thing is, is he worse than Sato?

Yes, I think so. Sato eventually learnt but Grosjean doesn't seem to be.

 

[Senna]

Thing is, is he worse than Sato? 

 

Yes, I think so. Sato eventually learnt but Grosjean doesn't seem to be.

I agree ... And Sato was consistently quick.

 

[ShinyBRZ]

Bring back test sessions though the season. Three or four five day sessions would give the teams plenty of time to try out new drivers and perhaps keep them sharp. Brundle made a good point that there isn't a warm up session in the morning before the race to wake them all up.
Having said all that, the other drivers aren't constantly crashing into each other...
Back to the test sessions, it'd be great for the die hard fans - it'd give them more chance to see the cars on track. They could even have an informal half hour race with some of the test drivers, second drivers towards the end of the week.

 

[Senna]

Bring back test sessions though the season. Three or four five day sessions would give the teams plenty of time to try out new drivers and perhaps keep them sharp. Brundle made a good point that there isn't a warm up session in the morning before the race to wake them all up.
Having said all that, the other drivers aren't constantly crashing into each other...
Back to the test sessions, it'd be great for the die hard fans - it'd give them more chance to see the cars on track. They could even have an informal half hour race with some of the test drivers, second drivers towards the end of the week.

Hmmm... - Agree with all this, - I do.

 

[Nig]

Bring back test sessions though the season. Three or four five day sessions would give the teams plenty of time to try out new drivers and perhaps keep them sharp. Brundle made a good point that there isn't a warm up session in the morning before the race to wake them all up.
Having said all that, the other drivers aren't constantly crashing into each other...
Back to the test sessions, it'd be great for the die hard fans - it'd give them more chance to see the cars on track. They could even have an informal half hour race with some of the test drivers, second drivers towards the end of the week.

Totally agree. Not only would it allow iffy drivers, like Big John, to get more laps under their belt and improve their skills, it may also allow teams like Caterham et al some development time.

How many other sports tell their competitors that you cannot practice or test new kit?