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Anyone see this? I don't have a link but he gave five stars, but only because he wasn't allowed to give more.
 

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Can't find anything about it on-line other than a few people making comments, like this thread :)
 

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I walked into the office this mornng to find the Times Open to the review page sprawled acrosss my desk
My MD is a big petrol head too. Yeap clarkson gives it 5 star only because he couldnt give more


Not sure I agree with all his comments. He mentions it has very little grip, terrible interior, sounds awful and looks awful.... The thing corner like on rails!!! and has a great noise and evryone (petrol heads) whom has been in it think the same. In fact my friend yesterday said it sound better than a 911 without a sports exhaust (not sure I believe that!!)
 

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Jeremy says mine is exempt from grip issue...thanks to it's Conti's

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GT86Owner said:
In fact my friend yesterday said it sound better than a 911 without a sports exhaust (not sure I believe that!!)

I took my friend, a 997 with sports exhaust owner, out in my GT86 this morning and he said it sounds nicer than his car. He also said that the GT86 damping was a lot softer.


As far as grip is concerned, I have found that I can provoke mine quite easily on roundabouts.
 

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DavidGT86 said:
As far as grip is concerned, I have found that I can provoke mine quite easily on roundabouts.

As I have mentioned before, a lot of you are going to find the Std tyres rather challenging in the weather we have in Britain, they are not good in the wet...and we are having that in spades at present.


PITSTOP !





IN THIS LAP!



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DavidGT86 said:
GT86Owner said:
In fact my friend yesterday said it sound better than a 911 without a sports exhaust (not sure I believe that!!)

I took my friend, a 997 with sports exhaust owner, out in my GT86 this morning and he said it sounds nicer than his car. He also said that the GT86 damping was a lot softer.


As far as grip is concerned, I have found that I can provoke mine quite easily on roundabouts.
I also dont have too much trouble getting it to slide. Specially yesterday in the wet. HOWEVER it still has spades of grip for cornering if you can control it from sliding! The rear end isnt particualy heavy and with 200HP in 2nd gear it peice of cake.

Besides! part of the fun is getting the tail out
 

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Think my boss has a subscription to the e-version he sent me this in an e-mail.

Jeremy Clarkson Last updated September 23 2012 1:01AM

In the olden days, when people had diphtheria and children were covered in soot, cars had skinny little tyres so that enthusiastic drivers could have fun making them slither about on roundabouts.
Nowadays, though, it’s all about grip. Fast Fords are fitted with front differentials to ensure you can keep a tight line, even when you are doing 1,000mph through a mountain hairpin. Then you have the Nissan GT-R, which uses the computing power of a stock exchange to make the same mountain hairpin doable at the speed of sound.
In fact, all modern cars cling to the road like a frightened toddler clings onto its mother’s hand. In some ways this is no bad thing. It means the befuddled and the weak are less likely to spin off and hit a tree. And it means the helmsmen among us can post faster lap times on track days.
But is that what you want? Really? Because when the grip does run out, you will be travelling at such a rate that you will have neither the talent nor the time to get everything back in order before you slam into a telegraph pole. If you are trying to win a race, high cornering speeds are important. But if you are not, they’re frightening.
For the business of going fast, a Nissan GT-R is unbeatable. But for fun — and I am not exaggerating here — you would be better off in a Morris Minor on cross-plies.
Which brings me neatly to the door of this week’s test car. It’s called the Toyota GT86 and it’s been built in a collaboration with Subaru, which is selling an almost identical machine called the BRZ.
Unlike most coupés, such as the Ford Capri, Volkswagen Scirocco and Vauxhall Calibra, the GT86 is not a hatchback in a party frock. It is not a marketing exercise designed to relieve the style-conscious of their surplus cash. It isn’t even very good-looking.
Or practical. The boot is large enough for things, but you can forget about putting anyone in the back, even children. Unless they’ve no legs or heads.
Power? Well, it has a 2-litre boxer engine — Subaru’s contribution — which delivers 197 brake horsepower. That’s not very much. But because the car weighs just 1,275kg and the engine is so revvy, you’ll hit 62mph in 7.6 seconds and a top speed of 140mph. It could almost be mistaken for a hot hatch.
But there’s no mistaking the noise. This car is loud, and not in a particularly nice way. There’s no crisp exhaust note, no induction wheezing. It’s just the sound of petrol exploding in a metal box.
The interior is nothing to write home about, either. You get what you need by way of equipment — air-conditioning, stereo, cupholders and so on — but there’s no sense of style or beauty. Apart from a bit of red stitching here and there, it all feels utilitarian, the product of a bean counter’s lowest-bidder wet dream.
So, there is nothing about this car, either on paper or in the showroom, that is going to tickle the tickly bits of Clint Thrust, the lantern-jawed hero from the planet Oversteer. And yet there is, because, unlike most cars of its type, the GT86 is rear-wheel drive.
Rear drive in a car is like a roux in cooking. Yes, you can use cheap’n’easy cornflour front-wheel drive, but if you want the best results you have to go the extra mile. You have to fit a prop shaft. And a differential.
In a rear-drive car the front wheels are left to get on with the job of steering while those at the back handle the business of propulsion. It’s expensive to make a car this way, and complicated, but the end result will be better, more balanced.
And now we get to the nub of Toyota’s genius. The company fitted the GT86 with the same skinny little tyres it uses on the Prius. And what this means is that there is very little grip. You turn into a corner at what by modern standards is a pedestrian speed, and immediately you feel the tail start to slide.
So you let it go a little bit, and when the angle is just so, you find a throttle position that keeps it there. For ever. You are power-sliding, you are grinning like an ape and you are doing about 13mph. Which means that if you do make a mess of it and you’re heading for a tree, you can open the door and get out.
You won’t make a mess of it, though, because the steering is perfectly weighted and full of juicy feel. I promise. The GT86 will unlock a talent you didn’t know you had. It will unleash your hero gene and you will never want to drive any other sort of car ever again.
No, really. Put some cotton wool in your ears, snick the old-feeling snick-snick box down into second, stand hard on the astoundingly good brakes, wish you’d used more cotton wool as the boxer engine roars, turn the wheel, feel the back start to go and it’s like being back in the time of the Mk 1 Ford Escort.
I’m sure that at this point many non-enthusiasts are wondering whether I’ve taken leave of my senses. Why, they will ask, would anyone want a noisy, impractical car that won’t go round corners properly? Simple answer: if you’re asking the question, the GT86 is not for you.
I suppose I could raise a safety question. Because, while its antics are a massive giggle on a track, I do wonder what will happen when it’s raining and your head is full of other things and you try to go round a roundabout at 25mph. There’s a time and a place for oversteer and I’m not sure 5.30pm in suburbia is it. Best in these circumstances, then, to turn the traction control on.
There’s another issue, too. I’m willing to bet that some people will decide that the styling of the GT86 could be improved by fitting larger wheels and fatter tyres. Do not do this. Because while it may make the car more meaty to behold, it will ruin the recipe as surely as you would ruin a plate of cauliflower cheese by vomiting on it.
Frankly, I wouldn’t change a thing about the GT86. Because it’s so bland, it doesn’t attract too much attention. You can therefore have fun without being marked out by passers-by as an anorak.
And now we get to the clincher. The GT86 costs less than £25,000 with manual transmission. That makes it cheaper than a Vauxhall Astra VXR. It makes it a Tiffany diamond for the price of a fairground lucky-dip prize.
It’s strange. We thought purpose-designed coupés had gone. We thought wayward handling had gone. And we sure as hell thought genuinely good value had gone. But all three things are now back in one astonishing car. Perhaps the most interesting car to be launched since the original Mazda MX-5. I’m giving it five stars only because it’s not possible to hand out more.
 
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There's little there I can disagree with. An accurate review considering the author.The only thing I'm not so sure about is the looks. I'm not convinced it's the prettiest car out there by a long chalk... but... attract attention it certainly does!
More so than my loud and in your face TVR and pretty 350Z.
 

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You turn into a corner at what by modern standards is a pedestrian speed, and immediately you feel the tail start to slide.

I dont agree with this part. In the dry especially its got tons more grip compared to the Audi A4 Quattro with 235 all round... though the backend will step out qutie easy being RWD only

I hada little bit of fun with a type R yesterdya and he couldnt keep up round the twisties either... He gave me a massive thumbs up when we got to the junction!




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First, - Keelerad, - thank you for posting this.

Second, - I agree with it all ! It's not the greatest sounding engine, - be honest.


And comparing the engine noise with a Porsche is a bit like comparing Vomit with Poo!


I drove the Cayman R recently and it doesn't sound like a Ferrari, I can tell you...Boxers are like that!


Third, Re: Grip & hooning in the rain ... - I TOLD U SO !


Now...All get some proper tyres and behave !
 

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No, no, no... You should all join me in doing rain dances.... Turn off the nanny buttons and hoof it in the wet... Best conditions to practice in... In fact, I'll disagree with Clarkson and suggest the wheels and tyres should be changed.... For the 205s on 16" steel rims theyput on the cheap basic version in Japan... They can be hammered straight when you keep using kerbs in the same way Scandinavians use snow banks!!!
 

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good review

I like the looks of the car and I think they are a plus; bit more chin wouldn't go amiss
 

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DavidGT86 said:
GT86Owner said:
In fact my friend yesterday said it sound better than a 911 without a sports exhaust (not sure I believe that!!)

I took my friend, a 997 with sports exhaust owner, out in my GT86 this morning and he said it sounds nicer than his car. He also said that the GT86 damping was a lot softer.


As far as grip is concerned, I have found that I can provoke mine quite easily on roundabouts.
If he has a 997 Gen 1 then I'd agree but on the Gen2 the 'comfort' setting is very compliant, and the sound is awesome - however it's an expensive car - I went for the GT86 instead of a 2nd hand 997 Gen 2 C2S cause I just couldn't justify the extra cost...

Very easy to get the GT tail happy with a bit of moisture on the road
 

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If he has a 997 Gen 1 then I'd agree but on the Gen2 the 'comfort' setting is very compliant, and the sound is awesome - however it's an expensive car - I went for the GT86 instead of a 2nd hand 997 Gen 2 C2S cause I just couldn't justify the extra cost...

This is interesting as I was in a similardilemma. I was tossing up between a ~2004 C4S at a similar purchase price to teh GT86, however the 3yr running costs when you factor in additional warranty were prohibitive for me.
 
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