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I'd be surprised if someone cannot get a feel for the balance with esp on. The main argument will be , as was pointed out to me on another forum, that this is a prototype and this balance will change towards release.

It will still be biased towards understeer because 'road car'. Only in a way which can be addressed if so desired.
Running with ESP on will interfere in feeling the balance of the car. I had this when I tested the Supra as I opted to not turn it off given it was the only Supra available to the whole of the NW RRG dealership network. You can get some feel but the ESP is annoying and interferes everywhere when pushing on. It was preventing me getting on the throttle out of corners and affecting it on turn in too. I'm not sure why you'd be surprised by that. I will get another go in the Supra where I will turn ESP off so I can get a better feel for the handling balance of the car.

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I'm not sure why you'd be surprised by that. I will get another go in the Supra where I will turn ESP off so I can get a better feel for the handling balance of the car.
What is 'that'? I'm saying the ESP does not stop you from detecting the tendency for oversteer. If you press on in a long corner and the ESP intervenes it only confirms that which you feel: the onset of rotation at the rear comes easily. The ESP is a nuisance which won't allow you to get a feel for the full rotation.
I'm mainly objecting to the strong claim that someone can't detect oversteer because of ESP.

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What is 'that'? I'm saying the ESP does not stop you from detecting the tendency for oversteer. If you press on in a long corner and the ESP intervenes it only confirms that which you feel: the onset of rotation at the rear comes easily. The ESP is a nuisance which won't allow you to get a feel for the full rotation.
I'm mainly objecting to the strong claim that someone can't detect oversteer because of ESP.
I couldn't do it in the Supra without disabling ESP, so I'm not suprised they couldn't with the Yaris. It just gets in the way of assessing handling.

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Seems that Japan, at least, is getting a 1st Edition version with some extra kit...

https://toyotagazooracing.com/jp/gr/yaris/1stedition/

@Kesler any word if we'll get that in the UK? I also saw on Pistonheads that some people are already paying a deposit at their local dealers - is there any advantage in being proactive rather than wait for the official Toyota e-mail updates?
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I would be interested in a first edition as well. Got to be something I feel for getting an early order in.

@spikyone. I've been onto RRG, doesn't look like anything is going to happen for a couple of months. They're not taking deposits yet. I've signed up for the notifications, though my dealer is already on high alert, so I reckon I'll hear from them before Toyota. I don't think there is any more you can do at this point, but see what Andy says.
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Seems that Japan, at least, is getting a 1st Edition version with some extra kit...

https://toyotagazooracing.com/jp/gr/yaris/1stedition/

@Kesler any word if we'll get that in the UK? I also saw on Pistonheads that some people are already paying a deposit at their local dealers - is there any advantage in being proactive rather than wait for the official Toyota e-mail updates?
It's the same here Spiky, 1st Edition is launch trim, High Performance is our Circuit Pack (forged BBS, Michelin PS4S, twin Torsen diffs, tweaked suspension).

It is weird to hear that people are paying a deposit. Officially for the UK, order books aren't open yet and we've only advised people to sign up to be on the GR Yaris list here: https://forms.toyota.co.uk/sign-up-Yaris-GR

So there's no advantage really, it's not a limited run like the Yaris GRMN.
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It's the same here Spiky, 1st Edition is launch trim, High Performance is our Circuit Pack (forged BBS, Michelin PS4S, twin Torsen diffs, tweaked suspension).

It is weird to hear that people are paying a deposit. Officially for the UK, order books aren't open yet and we've only advised people to sign up to be on the GR Yaris list here: https://forms.toyota.co.uk/sign-up-Yaris-GR

So there's no advantage really, it's not a limited run like the Yaris GRMN.
Thanks - good news all round. I'll wait for that e-mail to land in my inbox before handing over any money!
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Just a reminder this is a car forum people use for info, advice and help for all of us to make use of and enjoy. Let's keep it that way please.
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interesting point made here (directly copied from PH)


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There are also alot of amateur rally teams here who will be excited to get hold of a Yaris with the potential it offers them for club level rallying, most of them are stuck using the 90's rally cars as a base as they have no good modern options. When stripped out of all the crap a modern car requires, one of these Yaris is going to be a substantially lighter 4wd rally car then almost all of the other options.

There is perhaps a more discerning group of buyers for a car of this type in Europe who will want the car for its rally pedigree. There have been no true homologation cars in over 20 years so these sort of buyers have been somewhat starved of options and probably miss the days they used to own homologation models in the 90's. Its likely they will be happy to pay more for the privilege than Asian buyers who mostly just see it as just a hot hatchback.
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It's an interesting point. There are lots of deep pockets in amateur motorsport and people in rallying will look at this car as a potential for conversion to a competition car and not just a nice little road car to add to their collection after dropping £100k on a MkII Escort...
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